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5/6-2006, 10:07

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Ingen undskyldning for ikke at gøre det

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5/6-2006, 10:27

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5/6-2006, 10:35

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Nogle af dem havde nogle ok ground-skills, men der var mange som skulle arbejde lidt på deres forsvar mod front-spark.

De stod bare helt stille


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5/6-2006, 10:44

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ahrrrrrrrrrrr de gaar til den, hmmm ligner ikk det kenpo man har set foer. er der nogle af danskerne der traener saadan ?????


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5/6-2006, 12:37



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I USA er Kenpo meget större end i DK (naturligvis) og dermed ogsä mange forskellige klubber .......Som träner forskelligt.

Allerede i 93´ tränede jeg i en Kenpo klub i New Jersey hvor ca. 30% af träningen var gulvkamp.

Pä Speakmanns ärlige seminar i Vegas har jeg ligeledes set Gokor & Gene LeBell undervise de senste 5 är.....

Sä gulvkamp er ikke helt afvist i Kenpo!!!

Alt godt

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5/6-2006, 12:52

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super, tak for svaret. det virkede bare lidt anderledes end det de danske kenpofolk taler om.

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5/6-2006, 14:05

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AKKS skrev:
tak for svaret. det virkede bare lidt anderledes end det de danske kenpofolk taler om.


Gene LeBell har altid været med i mange af de Kenpocamps som der er blive afholdt i USA. Det er alment viden blandt nogen Kenpofolk i Danmark

Ed Parker kaldte ham engang En af de farligste mænd i Verdenog Hvorfor mon

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5/6-2006, 14:06

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AKKS >> Det er ligge ikke langt fra IKCA.

men Speakmann kenpo, jo de går til den
5/6-2006, 15:23

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5/6-2006, 15:28

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Nu ved jeg slet ikke noget om Kenpo, men kan man så ikke diskutere hvorvidt det stadigvæk er Karate? Altså fra hvad jeg har set der ligner det jo rimelig normal MMA træning. Single/double leg takedowns, BJJ træning i gulvet og kick/thai boksning stående. Eneste forskel var lidt mere fancy spark stående (som også blev straffet med nedtagning et par gange)


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5/6-2006, 15:41

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Well, det ser jo ud til at de kæmper indenfor et regelsæt der ligner MMAs utrolig meget, og derfor er det vel også bare naturligt, at kampene og teknikkerne kommer til at ligne MMA med tiden. De kampe er i hvert fald mere sport end de er selvforsvar
5/6-2006, 15:52

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Der var ihvertfald ikke meget delayed sword og 5 swords over det der.


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5/6-2006, 17:08



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Hi,

Well, I really like that clip. I see it as both sport and self-defense.

As you all know to actualize/test your BJJ techniques you must use sports as the testing ground. Otherwise how would you know if that Kimura you have been working on really works?

Same for Judo, Kyokushin, Muay Thai, Escrima, San Shou,TKD...Etc.

All of those system can be, at any time, used for self-defense even though they have a "SPORT ELEMENT" in their syllabus.

Kenpoist also have a testing ground for their techniques....We spar/fight. It can be a variation of Kickboxing, with the groin as a target, some have even called Kenpo "the original MMA". Because we have just about everything in it.

At my club we do all kinds of fighting:

Point
Continuous
MMA
Randori
Sticks
Knifes
Ground

Our Kenpo syllabus was created to counter stand-up, ground, weapons etc. The only way I know to check if my skills are effectively working is to FIGHT!

We allow groin kicks, elbows (with control), headbutts (with control), knees, sweeps, ground, throws...etc.

Its nothing new. I have been doing this kind of training my entire life. 30 years now... Its just Kenpo to me. Just like the clip.

The sad part is fewer and fewer Kenpoist want to test their skills in this manner. I don't know why accept for fear, ego, lack of pain tolerance or just plain lazyness.

Static techniques, forms, and lots of talking have replace the combatives. Oh Well, to each their own.

I will stay the course of sport and combatives. Thanks for the posting the clip Yssing

Take care,
BK



5/6-2006, 17:09

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Hvor sygt er det lige?


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5/6-2006, 19:58

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First of all nice post BK

But
bruger skrev:
The sad part is fewer and fewer Kenpoist want to test their skills in this manner. I don't know why accept for fear, ego, lack of pain tolerance or just plain lazyness.

First of all, I do not agree with that comment. it all depend on who your Instructor is and where in the world there are, in the USA there is alot off problems with legal action against martialartsSchool. I have seeing Kenpo people go at it. After words some had Bloody nose`s and Brooking ones. I think people also have to remember that Kenpo Is a Weapon less system that is why the Kenpo creed is “I come to you with only "Karate" - empty hands. I have no weapons. Regarding crosstrainíng it is normal for people in our lineage to train some kind of FMA. If people want to train BJJ there are more then Welcome.

Best Kenpo Regards
Kimpo

P.S Know matter what organisation we Kenpo people belong to we should stick together.











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5/6-2006, 22:26



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Hi Kim,

I am an American and that clip was filmed in America...and I do believe the Kenpo you train is called AMERICAN KENPO...So, tell us all how you personally test yourself under pressure to see if your technique works?

Re: Bloody noses

Unfortunately one does get a nose bleed...or even a black eye or even a broken leg...I have experienced all the above and more...but I accept it...afterall it is a MARTIAL ART!...

Re: Fighting

Someone swings a stick at you with full forward pressure...someone is trying to hit you with full intent...how do you train it?

Do you only do it the static way where they do a step through punch/swing and they let you hit them 5-6 times? always cooporating and nevr moving or hitting back?

Thats an ok way to learn the basic movements but tell us how do you make your technique work under full pressure agaist repeated strikes and forward footwork.

Perhaps I am out of step with the latest pedagogical martial arts teaching methodlogies. So let us know how you train to to FIGHT BACK against a maniac?

RE: Weaponless Art

All the weapons I saw in the clip were the ones attaches at the end of appendages, meaning feet and hands...couple of elbows as well. It was weaponless!

You should be, as a brown belt, training empty hand against sticks, knives, guns...etc. Again with Full Foward Pressure...That in my opinion is fighting...

Personally I think "I come to you with empty hands...blah blah blah....is out dated.

The criminals come to YOU with weapons.

The police come to the criminals WITH weapons.

So, I sure as heck will grab the closest thing within reach and pound the bastard who tries to hurt me or my family...weapons first...then empty hands.

Re: Cross Training

Cross training has its benefits. If you do cross train do you cross train for more drills or better application of your art?

Don't you do any Kenpo ground work? Aren't your techniques 3 dimensional? Try it out. Many Kenpo techniques can be applied on the ground as well. Of course an understanding bjj, judo, wrestling helps. But do not limit yourself to just vertical Kenpo.

Re: Kenpo Sticking together

I never said anything about another organization...I think they are all great.
All I mentioned were "some people".

I think all Kenpo is great. But unfortunately many do not use it to its full potential. Even Mr. Parker wrote a full syllbus on Sparring. We fought weekly back in the 1970's at Tatum school...even on the ground!

In closing...A non-kenpo friend of mind said AK is now being referenced as...

"Ed PORKER American Kenpo...and the red stripes represent the number of inches an insructor's belly hangs over his belt"

I thought that was very disrespecful. I tried to tell him we are not all fat and static...some of us train Kenpo hard...like the men and women on that clip.

So, I believe Kenpo, in its fullest form, is an awesome combative system. When trained correctly its both a self-defense system as well as a great fighting art. I believe one has to fight...that why its a MARTIAL ART not martial philosophy.

I'd love to see Kenpo, as a fighting art,come back to the glory it had when i first started training it.

I think the clip Yssing posted show just how good the art can be.

Take care now,
BK



5/6-2006, 22:54

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"Ed PORKER American Kenpo...and the red stripes represent the number of inches an insructor's belly hangs over his belt"


Good one !!!


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5/6-2006, 23:53

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BK skrev:
I am an American and that clip was filmed in America...and I do believe the Kenpo you train is called AMERICAN KENPO...So, tell us all how you personally test yourself under pressure to see if your technique works?


Well one way is to spar, but I still believe it would Work in the street it al depend how you train at the school where you learn the art. I also believe that the attacker
May not know, what you know and will be surprised and then it is .


BK skrev:
Re: Fighting
Someone swings a stick at you with full forward pressure...someone is trying to hit you with full intent...how do you train it?


Well sometimes we get hit and Sometimes not it al depend on timing and being able to read you opponent but you also know the rule with weapons. When do you disarm a Weapon in FMA? Do you look for it or dose it come bye it self?

BK skrev:
Do you only do it the static way where they do a step through punch/swing and they let you hit them 5-6 times? always cooporating and nevr moving or hitting back


To this I can only said remember what makes Kenpo work is PAIN and realistic reaction. Meaning too many Kenpopeople get curt up in everything has to be so fast what is Speed if you don’t have Power and accuracy. We always move particularly against weapons.

BK skrev:
Re: Cross Training

Cross training has its benefits. If you do cross train do you cross train for more drills or better application of your art?


Well I do not cross train right now I do not have the times for it with two kids and work. But I still believe that system have the thinks I need to defend my Self If I have to one day.

BK skrev:
Don't you do any Kenpo ground work? Aren't your techniques 3 dimensional? Try it out. Many Kenpo techniques can be applied on the ground as well. Of course an understanding bjj, judo, wrestling helps. But do not limit yourself to just vertical Kenpo.


Yes some Tec are 3 dimensional I would said Sleeper is one off them

Over and out

Best Kenpo Regards
Kimpo.


P.S Buy the way I have some comment for the Rule nr one and Lone Kimono on your Forum If I can be let back in



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6/6-2006, 8:17

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Kim skrev:
I think people also have to remember that Kenpo Is a Weapon less system


Hvad med alle "rod, storm og lance" teknikkerne?

Kim skrev:
Yes some Tec are 3 dimensional I would said Sleeper is one off them


De skulle de, meget gerne, alle sammen være 3 dimensionelle.
6/6-2006, 9:20

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Nu er jeg jo ikke tankelæser, men når Kim skriver "Weaponless system" tror jeg han hentyder til at vi ikke træner teknikker hvor vi som udøver SELV er bevæbnede... Jeg nægter at tro at Kim ligepludselig benægter at vi træner teknikker MOD våben...

Alle teknikker 3-dimensionelle?! Måske, men er de alle effektive på gulvet - det nægter jeg simpelthen at tro...

Mange af dem er designet meget specifikt, og virker kun ved hjælp af visse principper som ikke altid kan øverføres til gulvet.


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6/6-2006, 9:30

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Jeg ved ikke hvad kim benægter og ikke benægter.

Men med våben forsvar har jeg det lidt på samme måde som selvforsvar. Jeg finder det umådeligt vanskeligt at tro, at ens forsvar virker, hvis man ikke har haft en våben i hånden. Eller ikke kæmper med våben.

Det samme med almindeligt selvforsvar, man bliver nød til at afprøve det i kontrollerede miljøer.
6/6-2006, 9:31

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qeySuS skrev:
Nu ved jeg slet ikke noget om Kenpo, men kan man så ikke diskutere hvorvidt det stadigvæk er Karate?


Kenpo har jo aldrig været karate (altså bortset fra navnet) - tkd blev også lanceret som "koreansk karate" i Danmark

mortennr skrev:
tror jeg han hentyder til at vi ikke træner teknikker hvor vi som udøver SELV er bevæbnede... Jeg nægter at tro at Kim ligepludselig benægter at vi træner teknikker MOD våben...


Nogen er vel nødt til at træne MED våben for at de andre kan træne forsvar mod dem

I øvrigt synes jeg at det er meget naturligt at man træner en smule med våben, for at få en forståelse af hvordan de kan bruges imod en


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6/6-2006, 10:16



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Hi Kim,

I am not sure you answered my question. So I will try again...

How do you train against an attacker who is bent on doing you or your family harm? The guy is big and will not stand still for you to do your 5-6 moves....how do you train it?

Please be specific...how do you train for real world violence...if not sparring, in its various formats, then how?

Re: Kenpo has a weaponsless system

Again how do you train all your stick techniques and guns and knife defenses?

Mike Pick is an AKer who uses American Kenpo to teach knife.

Vic LeRoux is awesome with the blade as well. Much of his knife work comes from Mr. Parker.

AK is more than just a weaponless system. Much much more.

Re: Fighting

Last bit here regarding this topic...Bob White school is still one of the premier Kenpo schools to go to if you want to learn how to fight as a Kenpoist.

Chuck Sullivan's Schools were legendary for their applied kenpo fighting...a tough tough group of street fighters.

Steve Muhammad...a legend as the best kenpo fighter of all time.

Frank Trejo...another legendary fighter...the only AKer to win both Grand Championships in Fighting and Forms at the Internationals.

Speakman's guys are hard hitter as are Tatum's. I saw them at the International last year. Great athletes.

IKCAers rock at all the tourny's we enter. We are also entering more and more MMA tournaments. We have hours of groundfighting every year at our seminars.

So Fighting is steeped in Kenpo...

What kind do you do? Please answer with specifics and not your standard ..."IT DEPENDS ON YOUR INSTRUCTOR"...what do you do at your club?

Re: My Forum

I do not think its a good idea to join. We think differently. Not a bad thing just different.

We, people on the forum, like to move on to more than just regurgitation of someone else's thoughts...if we want concepts we go to other AK forums or other fighting forums....the undergroud MMA is a good one.
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Beside you and I will just argue and its always the same...

I believe in movement, fighting at all levels, and developing "applied" athletic ability within martial arts...as well as realistic self-defense and conditioning.

You are a theory guy. Nothing wrong with that...its just not my thing.
It has its place mind you but to me Athletisisum/attribute developement is the key to better martial arts application.

Take care now and I look forward to your response,
BK

6/6-2006, 11:08

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Hi Brenda & Yssing,

Just wanted to say that my teacher Pat Strong has many great things to say about Mr. Ed Parker. They were good friends and have trained a little bit together but mostly they were good friends, and they also did some movies together back in the day.

Pat sometimes shares some great stories about Parker! He sounded like a really inspiring martial artist.

Hope all is well with training and all!

Lasse


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6/6-2006, 12:07

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Besides selfdefence, i also see that kenpo is about movement. For me movement can be split into several different subdivions, sucha as fighting/sparring, running the line, tehcnique/dummy training And again in pure physical groups suchs as Cardio training, weightlifting (or other kinds or muscle building training) and so on.

Just as it is the case with JKD.

Also, in order to quickly build some of the athletic abilities required, I aso see weapon training as a vital point.

It about those attributes, like agility, speed, educated eyes and so on.

Nothing unique to kenpo by the way.

In a way, I think the techniques are secondary in kenpo, understand it like this: If a person is not able to apply the knowledge learned form the techniques, they are useless. Thus they become secondary to fighting/sparring. As I see it, it is only in this environment, that the kenpoist can truly develop a higher understanding of kenpo, the techniques, ideas, philosifies, concepts and so one, that are in kenpo. I don't see how it is really possible to learn this by practicing techniques on a partner who is more or less just waiting for you to finish that particular technique. I beleive Matt Thornton has a special word for the opposite of this

To sum it up: I see sparring as the tru way to develop that "spontanious stage"

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Hi Lasse,

Yes, Ed Parker was a unique individual. He changed the face of martial arts in America.

He was a good friend to Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Dan Inosanto, Bong Su Han as well as so many other legends we hear of today...

As a young girl growing up in Santa Minica I can remember driving past His Studio as well as Bong Su Han's (hapikido), Ill I Cho's TKD school. The Filipino Kali Academy (Inosanto) was not too far away, there was also a large Chuck Norris school in the neighborhood.

An all star cast of wonderful schools back in the day.

Parker had the unbelieveable ability to give each of his students "Their Truth" in combat. Which of course is the way it should always be. A great teacher gives each student their own truth. Not produce cookie cutter robots.

Unfortunately many of these same students took their truth as the ABSOLUTE truth in Kenpo. Then the Kenpo wars started after his death...I just shake my head and move on...

I try and keep to the ideals of martial arts as taught to me all these many years later...its about combat, physical growth, personal growth as well as a some kind of better understanding of one's self and others. Its painful...it can be bloody as well. Its about overcoming...fear, laziness and ego.

Overcoming all the obstacles and ignorance that life throws our way...Fighting...for self-perservation, self-resepct and personal growth.

I will be 48 this summer and my goals are to continue to overcome...age...and enlighten the youth of today on the benefits of martial arts as they were taught by those who preceded me.

In truth it bothers me to hear young men whine about fighting in martial arts. Its Strange. I thinks its odd...Parker must also think its odd. He was, after all, First a Street Fighter...but to each their own.

Sorry for the lecture but sometimes I get carried away

Take care Lasse and best to you in your training,
BK


6/6-2006, 23:21

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YSSING skrev:
If a person is not able to apply the knowledge learned form the techniques, they are useless. Thus they become secondary to fighting/sparring.


First of all .... I very much agree in what you and Brenda write.
But in the statement above, you assume that all Kenpoists practice the art ONLY for the benefit of the fight.
I know that in many styles some practitioners actually practice for the mental aspect. If that is the case, a technique that can never be put into use in a fight, may make perfectly good sense as PART of the training.

Take Tai Chi as an example. Of course some practitioners train the actual fighting skills of this style (this has become more popular over the last years). But I think that the vast majority still practice this style for the mental aspect, as well as pure physical training.

Yes ... the theories and the single techniques may not fit into a streetfight, but does this mean that they are automatically useless ?
I don't think so.

And in THAT aspect, some practitioners may actually find what they need in "theoretical styles", that may have no sparring whatsoever.

Having said that, I completely agree: IF you practice a style that is actually meant for fighting, the style should also have some kind of sparring/fighting.
This is a lesson we have learned in Amanogawa, where training is a lot more physical than it was 5 years ago !
And yes, we also incorporate weapons training, primarely for teacing the students certain movement patterns, and thereby enabling them to be more efficient in defending themselves. But also for inducing the respect for a weapon. Nothing will improve your knife defense more than learning how to attack with one.

As for the "kara te" / empty hand discussion ...
Most karate styles have traditionally practised weapons (tonfa, nunchaku, various staffs, sai, kama and so on). There's really nothing new in that.



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Hi John,

I do not think Fighting/Sparring should be 100% of any art. Of course people study martial arts for many reasons: culture, fitness, social, internal growth, competition, self-esteem enhancement, frienship, ...the list is long.

All of these things are wonderful and are part of what makes Martial Arts a life long activity for many.

But with that said...many people and I will use kenpo as an example because this is a kenpo thread. Many people have "Replaced" fighting with analytical study of technique as THE WAY. The analytical study was NEVER the WAY.

Analytical study is used to improve your ability to fight! Its part of the whole...It is NOT the whole.

Some Kenpoist have replaced nearly all their pressure testing to Analyzing...they even put down those who choose to fight.

They wear this "Analytical Ideal" as their badge of honor. "They know more than we who fight"...Its all kind of silly to me.

I teach Chemistry and Physics as my profession. But, I will be the first to say I am not a physist nor a chemist.
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If a student has never been violently attacked or if one has never fought in tournaments or even in their dojo...then they do not understand the purpose of the art they are studying. Kenpo is a Martial Art. It is an applied art of combatives.
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Now if someone like Kim Dahl chooses not to spar/fight/ at any level but still feels he has fully actualized his art.... He can apply his skills against someone who is trying to knock his head off... then TELL ME HOW YOU TRAIN IT. Thats all I want to know. Tell me. I am opened minded and will receive.
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Or if he would just come out and say..."Hey, I do not spar, I do not like to thump it around...etc. Then I am ok with that too.

But do not continue to get on forums everytime Yssing or myself talk about fighting and then say "blah blah blah"...back your point up...state some facts...give understandable statements for those of us who have been wasting our time sparring, rolling on the ground, stick fighting...etc. perhaps the Dog Brothers themselves as well as the Gracies can learn from Kim's way of training.
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Its kind of like going to parachuting school and the teacher tells you all about how to pack your parachute, how to pull the rip cord, how to hold onto the handles, how to land feet-ankle-knees-thighs-butt-back...but when you ask him how many jumps he has had..he says NONE!...would you train parachuting with that guy??
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So sorry again for the long post..I do not post often here. But this issue is non-negociable (sp?). One has to do somekind of fighting...

One has to spar..there is always time for it.
First 10 min of class, the last 10 min. of class or how about the middle 10 min. of class.

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Hello Brenda,

Like I said .... I agree

I just wanted to point out that just because one technique may not be practical in a fight, does not mean it doesn't have its purpose in training.
Knowing Yssing, I'm sure he will agree with me on that one.
Yssing surely spars a lot more than we do here in Amanogawa, but I completely agree that a martial art is not complete without some kind of fighting/sparring that is NOT prearranged, and which has at least some level of physical impact on the practitioner.

As for your long posts, and not posting often here:
I think it's refreshing and inspiring to read your point of view.



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I think you people are really underestimating the power of back-up mass. A 140 kilo guy coming at you like a steam train is no joke, i'm quite sure it's an efficient approach.


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But not very healthy. That person will die an early death.

Be healthy


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"balkan:
But not very healthy. That person will die an early death.
Be healthy"

Scientific fairy tales, qute. I'm quite sure those people know what they're doing.
Besides, what good is it to be healthy and live a long life if you can't defend yourself which could get you killed?


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Balkan >> Unfortunatly some people wrongly mistakes backup-mass for pure weight. Which it is not!
True a 140 kilo guy might have a lot of mass, but might not be able to utilize this mass, but a 70 kilo guy might be able to do this.

Bruce Lee explained this very good.
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Scientific FAIRY tales


Hey...come on man. Totally uncalled for...


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Hi,

Great video! What's Speakman up to now? Is he still in Kenpo?

Most Kenpo studios in the States talk about grappling - participate in seminars, but never change their syllabus. Still the same crap - forms and sets. But times goes by and the money keeps on coming in!

Any Kenpo studios in Denmark having grappling as a part of their syllabus?

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Not as part of our syllabus, but as part of our training, Yes
The video is what we call dojosparring.
Jeff Speakman is still active in Kenpo, but has change his syllabus a little, mainly to inclued grappling too.
His main source for infomation in that area being Gokor & Gene LeBell


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We too include grappling, locks, chokes and holds in our training, but not as part of the fixed curriculum (that would be wrong :-). Sparring is also something we do, both pointfighting (for competition) and light contact sparring. But we do all of it with full safety equipment.
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Well personally I think it is important to keep the core sullabys, grade in that, and maybe even demand to se some "freestyle BJJ" based on those techniques.

But don't change the core syllabus, since that will, in the end, only bring way to much confusion.
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I agree with Yssing on the "confusion" part. As far as I know Kenpo is still a "system of motion" that should be explored. If you change the syllabus, that, in my opinion, leads to pollution which is similar to trying to fit pieces from two different puzzles into the same frame. I know that probably not everyone shares my point of view, but that's my take on it :-)
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Har lige set videoen - sig mig ham ved 20 sek. er da Remco Pardoel (var også med i UFC) og han træner Ju-Jitsu/MMA (Holland) - videoen ligner en åben-stilart MMA turnering bare med GI.
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Mr Pedersen! why not get rid of forms, sets and all the other nonsense and put in a well documented grappling system?

What is your personal back ground in grappling?

I think that Kenpo will divide into two main ways in the future "No nonsense" and "Classical Nonsense" with forms!

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Hansi,

Your ukka.com site is long dead!

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Crazy Bear:

Ville det være Kenpo som vi kender det i dag, hvis man fjernede stort set alt det vi kender fra Kenpo i dag?
Ville det overhovedet være Kenpo?
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Sorry David,

My Danish level is below zero! know it's a Danish site.

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Yes, Crazy Bear, lets remove all "nonsense" from all systems, so that they all can become MMA.
I'm going to miss the weapons training and the forms, but you're right, we should all practise our respective martial arts to become great octagon figthers, anything else is just a waste of time.


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First of all this is my own opinion I train 100% Kenpo I do not feel I have to fill the gab with other system like JKD, FMA, MMA, BJJ and what ever. For me it looks like you see a BIG gab in your own Kenpo that is why you feel the oust to train other systems. I could be wrong.


BK skrev:
How do you train against an attacker who is bent on doing you or your family harm? The guy is big and will not stand still for you to do your 5-6 moves....how do you train it?



When someone swings at you with a punch or Kick without any protection and he know the response will hurt him he will hold back. I do believe if you know how to dummy correct you will not get a guy just standing still. To understand the Tec you most dummy correct. To many times you see kenpoguys just standing there.

BK skrev:
Please be specific...how do you train for real world violence...if not sparring, in its various formats, then how



We train with contact to the Body this is how we know what is feels like to be hit sometimes we just bang away, sometimes NOT. How do you teach a child to bicycle? Do you strap them in safety from top to bottom and tell them it will not hurts when there fall on the ground. I know you like to put on A LOT off protection for your student so there can spar. But is this not to give them false confidant.


BK skrev:
Again how do you train all your stick techniques and guns and knife defenses?


When you train against stick and knifes. You should ask your self how the Attacker will come at you whit the weapon I thing you get curt up in all the FMA stuff. When people swing at you in the street whit a weapon it is ALL or Nothing. There don’t do lop tick or whitish and if there do RUN.





BK skrev:
Vic LeRoux is awesome with the blade as well. Much of his knife work comes from Mr. Parker.


Well I don’t know the man never seeing him in Action for real. But I am looking forward to see if we ever get an IKCA Kenpo Seminar in Denmark. With just Kenpo and nothing Else. Maybe you could bring in a topamericanguy. To show us what you do.



BK skrev:
AK is more than just a weaponless system. Much much more.



Please in light how would you know? Did you ever train past Green Belt?



BK skrev:
Speakman's guys are hard hitter as are


Regarding Speakman I do believe we where a part off his group for some year. So we know what his Kenpo looks like.




BK skrev:
IKCAers rock at all the tourny's we enter. We are also entering more and more MMA tournaments. We have hours of groundfighting every year at our seminars.


I don’t know what Tournaments you IKCA guys take part in the only Kenpopeople I seeing is Keif H “I believe ones with Sepulveda AK guy” and Jeff Newton AK guy (White Student) also one AK guy was in one off the First UFC tournaments.

BK skrev:
Please be specific...how do you train for real world violence...if not sparring, in its various formats, then how?


What is real Violence? In the last 2 months I have seeing two fight and I would said Kenpo would perfect for REAL VIOLENCE. And in my world it has work perfectly so far

BK skrev:
What kind do you do? Please answer with specifics and not your standard ..."IT DEPENDS ON YOUR INSTRUCTOR"...what do you do at your club?


I see we are back to the same question. I sometimes spar but not all the time. What you have to understand when you spar against one it is a different bold game then in the street. In the Street The Attacker DO not know what you KNOW. And the surprised is on your side. Basis it is all how you have been taught your Kenpo. If you don’t break out off the frame of the curriculum and put your basis together then you have a problem.

How do you train to be spontaneous!!!! Bye being spontaneous.

BK skrev:
I do not think its a good idea to join


Regarding your Form.
And Rule nr. One If Mohammed will not come to the mountain then the mountain most comes to Mohammed

I have been reading you first post about Rule nr one. And honest I feel you where a little sarcastic.
I think you have to ask your self WHY you always tell Beginner about RULE nr one.

Yssing skrev:
Hvad med alle "rod, storm og lance" teknikkerne?


When you write Rod Storm and Lance Tec. Yes there a weapon but we defend against them and sometimes we take the weapon from the opponent and use it against him or Her.

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En rose er en rose - Tautologi

En rose ved ethvert andet navn er stadig en rose - Shakespear

MMA med Gi er stadig MMA. ...

Der er nu lagt gi-chokes og onde muligheder for rabbit punching på mens modstanderen holdes i GI'en.

Ideen er helt klart fe' nok, men bliver nok ikke udbredt i store mængder herhjemme forløbelig. Don't ask me why.


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Mad$ >> Jo, men alle systemer, der vil være gode i de respektive rækkevider, vil vel, i kamp, mere eller mindre ende med at ligne hinanden.
Så i den forstand er det vel ligemeget hvad man kalder det, da det alligevel er det samme. Ment, som i sammeslags sparring, med mere eller mindre samme regler og samme tilgang.

quote=KD]For me it looks like you see a BIG gab in your own Kenpo that is why you feel the oust to train other systems[/quote]

In reality, its about seeing the big picture.

KD skrev:
do believe if you know how to dummy correct you will not get a guy just standing still. To understand the Tec you most dummy correct.


Right, so when you dummy correct, all you really learn is how to dummy correct according to that technique. It still does not make up for sparring. Btw, if you train to get hit, what will happen when some strikes at you?

KD skrev:
I know you like to put on A LOT off protection for your student so there can spar. But is this not to give them false confidant
but ofcourse you wear protective gear. We dont spar or train to get injuries! We spar to learn how to fight.

KD skrev:
You should ask your self how the Attacker will come at you whit the weapon I thing you get curt up in all the FMA stuff
Right.. 2 things here:
1) ofcourse you have time enough to think about the attack and then respond to it.
2) All possible angles, thrusts, stabs and so on how an equal amount of techniques in EPAK. This is far from the truth, so adding FMA to Kenpo only seems like a good idea, BTW Planas adds FMA as wel. Just take a look at his patch.

KD skrev:
Please in light how would you know? Did you ever train past Green Belt?
This does not relate to the fact that AK is more than a weaponless system.

KD skrev:
Regarding Speakman I do believe we where a part off his group for some year. So we know what his Kenpo looks like.
But you left him for a more tehoretic approach to kenpo. Which in my humble opinion is wrong, that ofcourse being my opinion.

KD skrev:
I have been reading you first post about Rule nr one. And honest I feel you where a little sarcastic.
I think you have to ask your self WHY you always tell Beginner about RULE nr one.

But it is still wrong, to test this, go to the local boxing gym, and spar with them. I bet you, taht you will see them floating around you, while punching you in the face. Then what good does your stance do you, since a good solid stance only makes you immobile. Hmm, Ask Kurt about this, I don't know his answer. But I gues he never stood still while boxing. I wouldnt...

KD skrev:
When you write Rod Storm and Lance Tec. Yes there a weapon but we defend against them and sometimes we take the weapon from the opponent and use it against him or Her.
Right, so its not a weaponless sytem. Or is it... Since there are techniques for defence against weapons, as you, correctly, stated. And the fact that those texhiques also teach to to tkae the weapon and use it against him, makes the statement about it being a weaponless system even more incorrect.


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Hey Yssing

vender tilbage senere et svar

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Hi Kim,

Once again you did not answer the question.
But I will try and answer yours:

First: How do you specifically train for an aggressive attack. You wrote you sometimes spar...what does that mean?
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You say people on the street don't know what you know...then we must assume that YOU KNOW what THEY KNOW...share it with us Kim.
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Re: Being a dummy and real violence

I am sorry but that is the dumbest thing I have ever read...

Kim...just so you know...the bad guy is NOT GOING TO PULL HIS PUNCHES WHEN HE DECIDES TO HIT YOU....ITS NOT THE SAME AS BEING A DUMMY IN THE DOJO...HEELLOOOO!!!...A crimmal WANTs to hurt you. Thats why we lable them CRIMINALS!...(but perhaps they didn't tech you that in Kenpo class).
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I wouldn't know about AK?? I was doing AK before you were born my friend. I was a Blue Belt not a Green.
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I complimented your system on its depth and continue to say how wonderful it is... and you try and insult me and put me down...

OK...I'll take it...How's this...I do not think YOUR AK has any depth to it..or...you Truly you do not understand what you have...thats why you can't punch your way out of your apartment to train.

You are nothing more than a kenpo groupie. Your life's mission is to collect pictures standing next to any and all visiting black belts...But never to train every week...is that better Kim?...why are you always so insecure.

Personally I do not like being so negative. I think All variants of Parker Kenpo are great. They all have depth and breath...as do all martial arts.
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Don't try and put me down when I compliment you...it just makes you look stupid.
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Re: Visiting IKCAer

Why a visiting BB? So you can have your picture taken with him...you had me and John here for 5 years...5 years and you wouldn't kick...(you don't like to kick)...you didn't want to do push ups or sit ups or ground fighting or sparring...or pressure points or joint locks without whining...baisically you have a problem with moving I guess.

So, a visiting BB in IKCA would have you do all the above...so are you up for it? Gotta fight...gotta spar...come on it will be fun Kim.
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Does my Kenpo have gaps...NO... I have the gaps. THATS WHY I TRAIN 4-5 DAYS A WEEK...how often do you train?
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Everyone should cross train...IT IS A HUGE MISTAKE TO THINK YOU DO NOT NEED GROUND FIGHTING AND WEAPONS and Sparring. A Huge mistake.
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Thats great 100% Kenpo...geez, that must take up so much of your time. How much to do train Kim? Oh yeah...all those seminars keep you way too busy for training every week...sorry Bro...I forgot.
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Regarding Not knowing how IKCAers do in tournaments. Of course you don't know how we do...because YOU NEVER ENTER ANY TOURNAMENTS!

We just had one last week. You were invited. You have a circuit right here in your own back yard...other AKers attend...come on Kim...Frank and Yssing would love for you to enter the heavy weight class. Come on BRO ..help spread the beauty of Kenpo in DK..

Or do you have a FEAR OF BREAKING A SWEAT...we all know know you have fear of getting a bloody nose...so we will all agree no nose shots...OK..come on its fun...we need you brother!!
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You have actually seen TWO FIGHTS!! WOW! thats great...did you intervene...or just watch? did you stop them...did you help the victim out? You are in security you must have helped out the victim...come on and share.
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Rule #1...if you want to establish your base while a 120 Kg man is running down your center line to punch the crap out of you then fine...be my guest...stand there and be a heavy bag...its ok with me.

But why not practice RULE #1..the rule you love so much...in a tournement?

You can then show all of us how effective Rule #1 is...How establishing your base is the first thing you'll do when a heavyweight man is about to punch your lights out....I am sure we can all learn from you Kim...come on Kim it will be fun.
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Re: Mohammad...you sir are not nor ever will be Mohammad...But a mountain...yes, I would agree to that.
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Re: Taking a weapon away and using it against him...

Again...how do you train for this? I do stick fighting and knife fighting all the time and when the attacker is committed YOU AIN'T EVER GOING TO DISARM HIM....but continue to live in la la land. Come on over and I will personally grab a stick and you disarm me but I warn you I will hit, swing hard...come on Kim it will be fun.
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Well thats about it for today. Thanks for sharing and enlightening me Kim...as always I appreciate the edification on your part.

You take care now and Full Salute,

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Anyday off the week you or anybody else at the IKCA want to show me that Kenpo dont work let me know..You said I am personale well I having even started like you didt. And I wouldt.I just ask How much you would know when you only train up to Blue.I never talk about things in the IKCA curriculum Because I dont KNOW It was a mistake from my part to get involve in this conversation. When and how much I train you will never Know.You know where I train and thinks cost money and time.

This is All
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Hi Kim,

But, you always make it personal...you take it personal...you make it more than it is...I thought there was a lot of humor in my last post...but you didn't read it ...you need a beer.

Personally I don't care what or who you train with. I do not care what you do...this thread origianlly was a good one until you started posting your silliness about NOT fighting.

But, lets continue...

You do know IKCA...its all the same. Don't be silly.

IKCA is like AK...Parker/Planas is just like Speakman...which is just like Tatum...its indiviuals who trained with Parker... teaching what they believe in. Kenpo is Kenpo is Kenpo...AK is a linear syllabus and IKCA is a modular pedigogical method of Parker's systems...Its all the same.

its not you vs everyone else. But you continue to act that way...relax.

Its all Kenpo...
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Stop Stop Stop the divisiveness within Kenpo...its silly...and stupid and a waste of time. Don't you see the loss of energy, loss of friendships and loss of the art which you create.
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When I first moved here to DK 5 years ago...you searched me out...You told me you were the gatekeeper of Kenpo here in DK...You felt it was your job to keep the idiots out...but instead of bringing Kenpo together you work extrememly hard in dividing it...just stop and relax...it really isn't a matter of life or death...or even Honor...don't let Kenpo become your only means of Self-esteem or let it become what defines you as a man..its a hobby...a passionate one but a hobby just the same.
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Its ok if we disagree...its ok for me to train it differently than you...just come out and say "YOU DO IT Differently"... Just say you do not fight...you don't fight...its OK with me...

I really don't care...I would respect you much more if you said it.
Rather than the way you currently react when ever the "F" word (fighting) appears on a forum...and believe it or not...KIM DAHL DOES NOT HAVE TO RESPOND EVERYTIME KENPO IS BROUGHT UP ON MA.DK
Let others have a say.Sit back and absorb or ignore...have a beer.
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I hold no grudges my friend...just move on...We have had this same talk many many times...

Move on. Get over it. All Kenpo roads in DK do not have to go through Kim Dahl.

Take care now,
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I just ask How much you would know when you only train up to Blue


I feel I must say one thing here. Brenda is a 4th Degree black belt in Kenpo, so since you constantly tries to measure knowledge in belt colors, then according to your own way of measuring, you do not even begin to graps what she knows.

I hell, I thought this thread began really well.

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Well, if nothing else you have to admit it has a pretty high entetaiment value


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Inded it has. Please continue


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Do we have a battle between IKCA and KD soon - let them walk the talk

(funny, a brown belt is attacking 4th degree black and 1st degree black and a organization with old and respected Parker students - hmmmmmmmmmmmm, let the words do the talking)



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Did´nt see this tread before


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let them walk the talk og let the words do the talking


Dude, buy a proverb book


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Hi Hansi,

First, what a beautiful day...lots of sunshine and people out and about. Denmark is beautiful when its sunny.
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Well I have asked Kim for 5 years to come and train with us but he is always too busy. When I first met him I had only a couple of students. All beginners. I mean real beginners.

I guess he thought they were beneath his skill level, which at the time they were. He was not willing to teach or to help..so we parted ways and I continued to build a nice little club.

5 years on we have a nice group of dedicated Kenpoist...As years go by we get better abd better. We have a good relationship with several other clubs..Yssing and Khalids Kickboxing group as well as the Kung Fu Group. Nice people all of them...
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I do not distinquish bewteen IKCA-AK...because its all the same to me. But for some... the distinction is a matter of life or death...silly I think because in the end its all about the training.
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Kim is welcomed anytime as is everyone. But he must know he might fight, might have some contact, will abosolutley have to do some conditioning drills, might do some ground work or weapons or perhaps it will be a night of static drilling. We might have a hard hitter line...we try and do it all. But fitnee is first.
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He is always welcomed to a DSKTA tournament or a DKTF tourny as well. That would be a huge step in reaching out on his part to show us how effective his art is. He is welcomed and encouraged.
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Last thoughts here:

First, this was a great thread...thanks for allowing me to participate. It was fun. I am sure Kim will roll with the cyber punches..its all in good faith. He is a trooper. He keeps us angry which at times is a good thing...

Re. Cross Training

Sorry to beat a dead horse but...Mr. Parker knew the value of xtraining...he was a Black Belt in Judo as well as a street fight and knew the Chinese arts as well.

Other AKers:

Mr. Palanas is an excellent FMAer

Mr. LaBounty is also a Jodoka as well as steeped in other arts.

Mr. Trejo an avid boxer.

Mr. LeRoux a JKDer and FMAer.

Ms. Tanaka an FMAer

Mr. Whitsen an FMAer

Mr. O'Briant cross trains/references with everyone.

Mr. Johansen FMAer

Mr. Liles boxing and kickboxing

Dan Inosanto-started bjj in his late 50's

I do believe Johnny and Thomas have blackbelts in Kickboxing. I could be wrong but I do remember one of them having a kickboxing background.

Mr. Speakman-see above clip..great clip of how good Kenpo is as a combat art....I love it.

Mr. Koeshall-grappling, JKD, FMAer, Use of force...lots of stuff.

Mr. Meeks-All kinds of kenpo, groundfighting, use of force, PFS.

Myself-I have done lots of stuff over the year. This past year I have focused on weapons and BJJ and of course PFS.
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All the above are dedicated Kenpoist. Cross training is the only way to see how well your art/system stand up to others.

Its not an old concept...the Samurai xtrained as did the original jujitsu-ers as well as the last century karate-ka and TKDers. MMA is so popular because xtraining if effective...it works.
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For Kim to say he is 100% Kenpo is actually a misnomer because if everyone you train with cross trains it spills over into your own personal training/system.

Plus I have attended Modern Arnis seminars and Kim was there as well as PFS seminars...so Kim you do cross train....and its a good thing my friend. Don't be ashamed about it.

Once that wonderful door to other arts is opened you can't go back...you see the strengths and weakness of what you have...

Vunak told me..."BK its all good"..."learn form everyone and every art".
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Thats it...take care and I hand over the torch of this thread to anyone who really enjoyed that Clip Yssing posted.

Take care and enjoy the sunshine,
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Hi again,

Well! Balkan - I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic - but I take it that way.

My interest is self defense not the cage ect. Please tell which one you think give the best self defense tools! Grappling or forms.

Have you done Kenpo and witnessed the waste of time doing solo exercises like forms and sets - it's pathetic.

I have weird feelings towards mr Speakman. He was a great inspiration for me for some years. Compared to the fat "Talk a seminar through" Kenpo Masters - he was exellent, but all the crap came later on - a dagger form against unarmed attackers and shit.

Glad to see that mr Speakman is on right track again(From my perspective).

Ed K P would have embraced grappling skills if he was still alive - sadly he is not!

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I actually just read an article from Lee Wedlake in which he says that Mr. Parker was working on a groundfighting curiculum. I have no idea if it's true www.lwkenpo.com

Personally I don't think forms are a waste of time. I think the lower forms are there to give you a tool to practice your basics without having to do them in isolation and when you start including the higher forms, they are there to reinforce Mr. Parker's concepts of opposites and reverses. Again, we are back to a "study of motion."


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Okay BK

When do we train I am on are you ? lets rock

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CB skrev:
Have you done Kenpo and witnessed the waste of time doing solo exercises like forms and sets - it's pathetic.


And that is also why we in IKCA only have 55 techniques. IKCA wants to optimize the time spend in the gym/dojo

KD >> Come to the next DSKTA tournament, its in september in Nørrebrohallen.
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"study of motion."


While this is all very well, I do find it more important to "Practice Motion" rather than study it.

I know that "study" also include movements.

But lets not over analyze the movements in kenpo.
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"Have you done Kenpo and witnessed the waste of time doing solo exercises like forms and sets - it's pathetic."

I must admit i haven't, but i do forms myself in tai chi. It's only a waste of time from a self-defence point of view. If they like doing forms for the sake of the forms, it's no longer a waste of time


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I think both "study" and "practice" are co-dependent on one another. If you don't study what you are to practice, then how do you know what and why you are practicing?

As with most other things in the world, first you study, then you get the job because you then hopefully know what you are doing.

I wouldn't like to be operated on by a surgeon that hasn't studied, but only learns by practising.

That's like saying I want to go from Odense to Oslo. I'm not first going to look at a map, but simply drive by instinct until I hit my destination. Look at the map and it will be much easier. Otherwise, Uganda, here I come.

Personally I find it extremely important to overanalyze kenpo. Simply because, if I don't ask questions, I only get the standard answers.
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Balkan!

I completely understand your point of view as a Tai Chi practioner but that's not the topic here, but Kenpo.

If you join a studio to learn self defense and waste your time on solo exercises and only see grappling at seminars(If you attend) that's pretty bad.



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It sure is. We always seperate the solo training completely from the self defence training for the same reason. When we're training self defence it's no use standing around making forms or whatever on your own.
So if it's actually called "self defence training" then i'd say that's pretty misleading.


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I guess he thought they were beneath his skill level, which at the time they were. He was not willing to teach or to help..so we parted ways and I continued to build a nice little club.



That is BS and you know it, The Real problem was, you were always talking about movie back to the USA and I did not what to shift from AK to IKCA. And be curt in the middle.


Mrs K skrev:
OK...I'll take it...How's this...I do not think YOUR AK has any depth to it..or...you Truly you do not understand what you have...thats why you can't punch your way out of your apartment to train.



Ones again you do Not what you are talking about. But hey keep thinking so.


Mrs K skrev:
I was doing AK before you were born my friend. I was a Blue Belt not aGreen.




Yes and? It still doss not change you have only seeing the surface off AK. IKCA and EPAK is NOT the same and you know it. That is why the curriculum is not the same. And if EPAK his so much more WHY did you not stay with it?


Mrs K skrev:
You are nothing more than a kenpo groupie. Your life's mission is to collect pictures standing next to any and all visiting black belts...But never to train every week...is that better Kim?...why are you always so insecure.



Brenda King that is so much BS and you know it. Yes I have been around the world and that is to train Sweden, Ireland, England, Belgium, and the USA tows.


Mrs K skrev:
Why a visiting BB? So you can have your picture taken with him...you had me and John here for 5 years...5 years and you wouldn't kick...(you don't like to kick)...you didn't want to do push ups or sit ups or ground fighting or sparring...or pressure points or joint locks without whining...baisically you have a problem with moving



I guest we see the real MRS King now. I did attend in one off Mr. K pressure points seminar and it was on Amager.


Mrs B skrev:
Thats great 100% Kenpo...geez, that must take up so much of your time. How much to do train Kim? Oh yeah...all those seminars keep you way too busy for training every week...sorry Bro...I forgot.



More then you know I also teaching privat every week. This year I have been training privat with My Instructors plus attend normal training been to Sweden and Spain. Just to learn.


Mrs B skrev:
YOU NEVER ENTER ANY TOURNAMENTS!



Yep you are so Correkt on this One.


Mrs B skrev:
Or do you have a FEAR OF BREAKING A SWEAT...we all know know you have fear of getting a bloody nose...so we will all agree no nose shots...OK..come on its fun...we need you brother!!



Let set somethink up Not TOURNAMENTS! Just training I can keep with anythink you get Bring ii on Mrs B


Mrs B skrev:
You can then show all of us how effective Rule #1 is.



You still don’t get it, but that is okay you don’t know Why And for that you are forgive


Mrs B skrev:
Come on over and I will personally grab a stick and you disarm me but I warn you I will hit, swing hard...come on Kim it will be fun.



Swing away Mrs K but remember what ever the attack so it the response


Come on mrs K lets work out to see what you got that I dont lets rocke roll

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Det her viser bare at Kenpo folk intet fatter!

Alt skal åbenbart være MMA for tiden, og hvis det ikke er det, så er det ikke en skid værd.

Brenda:

Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.

Jeg orker ikke at skrive det hele på engelsk, og mener egentlig også at mine budskaber vil gå tabt herinde.
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Det her viser bare at Kenpo folk intet fatter!

Alt skal åbenbart være MMA for tiden, og hvis det ikke er det, så er det ikke en skid værd.

Brenda:

Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.

Jeg orker ikke at skrive det hele på engelsk, og mener egentlig også at mine budskaber vil gå tabt herinde.
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Det her viser bare at Kenpo folk intet fatter!

Alt skal åbenbart være MMA for tiden, og hvis det ikke er det, så er det ikke en skid værd.

Brenda:

Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.

Jeg orker ikke at skrive det hele på engelsk, og mener egentlig også at mine budskaber vil gå tabt herinde.
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Det her viser bare at Kenpo folk intet fatter!

Alt skal åbenbart være MMA for tiden, og hvis det ikke er det, så er det ikke en skid værd.

Brenda:

Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.

Jeg orker ikke at skrive det hele på engelsk, og mener egentlig også at mine budskaber vil gå tabt herinde.
Så sig til hvis det har interesse!

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Det her viser bare at Kenpo folk intet fatter!

Alt skal åbenbart være MMA for tiden, og hvis det ikke er det, så er det ikke en skid værd.

Brenda:

Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.

Jeg orker ikke at skrive det hele på engelsk, og mener egentlig også at mine budskaber vil gå tabt herinde.
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Ok, meet me and Wyatt, Virgil and Doc at sundown behind the OK Corral Partner. Bring your duster and we'll shoot the shit out of each other...

You can give me an INDUSTRIAL SIZE CAN DANISH WHUP ASSSS! Yeeeee Haawww!!

120 kilos against 60...Lets do it bro! You and me... I can see the headlines...

"Super Back Up Mass vs. "Speedy Japanese grandma"... we'll sell it to Euro Sport...K1...I'll even let you hit me first. Just so it looks like you're fighting.
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So you want to beat me up...Geez you are so brave Kim. So Brave...but hey if it actually gets you to leave your apartment it might not be a bad idea...
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The entire IKCA vs. AK stuff...gosh Kim its so old and you sound so stupid...really... you do...dumb...
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Go and train Kim...you keep missing the point of this thread..GO OUT AND TRAIN..work out...break a sweat...spar..do some ground work...do some weapons training...Stop making excuses...

You have a club...work out with your students...come on....if you put just as much energy in your training as you do in Cyber Sparring...you just might be good one day...
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Sooooo... are you saying to the entire world that KIM DAHL WOULD HAVE DONE IKCA..YES...THATS RIGHT...IKCA KENPO...But BK was moving back so you didn't want too be left hanging...oh the tears ...the tears...

Shit..let us say it now...KIM DAHL...FORMALLY OF PARKER/PLANAS...FORMALLY OF CLAUS PEDERSEN AND THE AKKS...FORMALLY OF JERN BRANDT AND TATUM KENPO...NOW ANNOUNCES HE HAS FOUND THE LIGHT (the light meaning me...BK..)...AND IS NOW DOING IKCA KENPO...

Don't ya just feel all warm inside now that the truth is out...don't ya feel free Kim...No more Bull Crap Kenpo...just the old style hard core...kick ass kind...fighting..sparring...bruises...I am really happy for you Kim...really.
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I promise Kim...if you had been doing IKCA the past 5 years... my kind of Kenpo...you would will be able to rock and roll like the men and women in the clip...
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But alas...I broke your heart...so sorry...must have been difficult for you...after all these years...the only challange you can muster is to beat up the one who left your Kenpo heart hanging...the tears...the sorrow...I understand Kim...

You are now only left with Kenpo words...slogans to be mindlessly reguritated..I feel your pain...it must be difficult for you...clearly you have no ability to express anything worth repeating...it must be hard.
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GREAT NEWS FOR YOU...
Come August..after you have told your students you are now IKCA...Don't forget to tell your instructors...(don't want the same mistake to happen like it did when you didn't tell Claus the truth) we will open another studio in Copenhagen...isn't that great news Kim...

You will, however have to start over as a white belt...cause you just ain't up to par in movment...plus your physical knowledge base is lacking....

Also, I am not going to repeat OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE WHY'S...OF KENPO...

But I will say this...punch the bastard in the nose..why?...cause it hurts...
Kick the bastard in the groin...why? cause it hurts.
Rip his eyeballs out...why? cause it friggin hurts

There are your why's for white belt.
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In closing...

well this was fun boys and girls...but in truth...

I have had some time off and have enjoyed my time here on MA.DK but...

I am off to train...I suggest we all do the same.

Get out and do something positive with your life Kim...I'll make sure I send you an IKCA patch as a souvaniere(sp?) when i get to the states...a reminder of "what could have been" for you...

Off To Calif. soon.
You take care now,
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Kim just said he would agree to train with
you, BK.
And now you're the one who's not up for it??
I never thought i'd see the day when kim
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Hi,

Never said he couldn't train with me.
Don't mind if he does...

Never have minded. But why the challenge?

Thats my whole point...it not about whether I am better than Kim...its not about wether Kim is better than me...to him and others its seem deparately important...In truth I never understood what that meant...What does better mean??? I am a teacher...he is a student.

My challenge to Kim has always been..always been... the training...the weekly/daily training of combat martial arts...he has never done that since I have known him.

Not neseccarily to train with me...in truth he doesn't want to do what I do...I have told him to train with Christian Grauart's club, Khalid's Norrebronx club, they are all closer to him that me. Otto's club as well. Even Valdemar's club...but as far as I know he chooses not to.

Not for Kenpo but for fitness, kickboxing, ground work...he does not do it. Not with me, nor them...he does not even do fitness training for himself..

He has to committ to fitness if he trains with me...

I just did 50 pushs, 50 sit-ups, ran for 20 min, 3x20 sets of burpees...this is a non-martial arts night for me...just a little fitness.

(I will do that with him on Sunday if he wants...plus stick fighting and Kickboxing using Kenpo technques)...

But he has had a miilion excuses why he can't...work...kids... Well we all have work and kids.

Its the daily/weekly work ethic of belonging to a club and training your body.

He has had the opportunity for 5 years to train with us...but because I post on MA.DK now he will come, on Friday and train!..is that suppose to make me or him feel better or perhaps you??

Yes, it has been great entertainment...But..

The challenge was never to train with me...the challege was just to train. He did have the opportunity with me but chose not too...thats ok...

He has a a club...he has students. He has written many time on all the forums in the world.."He has the only Real Kenpo klub in Copenhagen"...I was hoping he would reach out and we would so some kampsport together but he never called...I was hoping as a club owner he would come to DSKTA...but no sign of him.

He can come to us...but why? What are his motives...?? He will have to yield way and follow directions...do what I say on my terms at my speed...no more slow-mo snail paced work outs.

We train Mondays, Weds, Thursdays and Sundays...not Fridays..

If you feel Kim has won(did not know this was a contest) then so be it...it makes no difference to me...the way is in the training...daily training...that is the challenge...

I will not spend anymore time trying to save Kim from himself...Its not my job...he has got to save himself...I just hope I have created the spark for him to do so.

But if he really wants to duke it out I can accommidate him on Sunday afternoon

I leave for Calif.on Weds.

Hi,

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Jeg synes da afgjort også at Brendas agressive invitationer ligner en udfordring mindst ligeså meget som Kims accept, selvom ingen af dem rent faktisk siger , at det de vil er at slås. Men alle - også dem selv - er sikre på at det er sådan det hænger sammen.

Hvor er kampsport egentligt latterligt

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Ja, jeg sætter altså mine penge på den snart 48 årige, 48 kilo tunge japanske bedstemor uanset hvem "modstanderen" er...! :-;

Når hun kan tæve mig, ja så er der kun UFC og Pride tilbage - det er trods alt også lang tid siden vi har set en kenpo udøver der!!



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Hvis det er selve træningen, der er problemet, så burde det da være iorden.
Det er ihvertfald prioriteret højere end at køre en klub:

Officiel" Target="_BLANK">www.americankenpo.dk skrev:
Officiel udtalelse af KBH Kenpo Studio


Af personlige grunde har jeg valgt at lukke Københavns Kenpo Klub ned.

Dette gøres for at jeg bedre kan kan fokusere på min egen træning.

Jeg håber at have muligheden for at kunne åbne klubben igen indenfor et par år.

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Mrs King and mr Dahl!

Couldn't this have been done in private mails?

We completely lost the discussion regarding grappling in kenpo.


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CRAZY BEAR,

First of all .... I agree that this discussion has turned into mudslinging, which will not really benefit Kenpo in Denmark too much.

BUT ... I for one am glad to see Brenda King's statements.
Brenda isn't on this forum very often, and I think this is the first time I have seen rather agressive arguments from a high profile "practical kenpoist".

So, apart from the personal issues between Brenda and Kim, and apart from the fact that focus has been drawn away from grappling in Kenpo, this discussion HAS shown another perspective of Kenpo in Denmark.

The thread itself isnt't as much about grappling in Kenpo, as it is about the fight in Kenpo.
And, obviously, there are Kenpo branches where fighting/sparring is encouraged. I have no idea if this comes as a surprise, but at least it has now been pointed out that Kenpo isn't just Kenpo in Denmark. Within that style, you still have options between the practical and the more theoretical approach.
There aren't that many Kenpo schools in Denmark, but there might be a relatively big difference in the way these schools approach the style.



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regarding grappling in kenpo, I think it has always been there, but in some point in time, it godt lost, maybe due to all the theory nonsense or maybe some other issue casued it.

But it is good that it is beeing rediscovered.

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Hi,

First, I have no problem with Kim and his art. I really don't. Was I too hard on him...well yes, perhaps I was...he needs to be pushed...I am trying, as all good teachers do... poke and nudge the young ones into being all they can be. If anger does this...then great...perhaps humor will...because friendship hasn't...

Yes, thi sis an ideaological battle between two Kenpo worlds...I will not budge on my beliefs and training.

Re: KD

He does have talent...

I see this young man with a deep love of an art. He has three excellent teacher...Johnny, Thomas and Ingmar...these guys have given him a gift and my only hope is that he trains his art to its fullest.

All I have ever asked of KD is to explain how he trains when he is at home in Copenhagen. Does he spar, fight, ground fight...etc. His standard response is ..."well it depends on your instructor".

I have offered my students and myself as training partners but he doesn't accept..Then he proceed to tell me how superficial my art is...but in the next sentence he would have trained with me If I would have commiteed to staying here... was here 5 years...its all confusing.

I resent it when Yssing...who is a warrior and myself and anyone who trains Kenpo in all its level...get insulted whenever the "fight" word is mentioned...

This was a great thread about the combative aspects of Kenpo...that clip shows its depth...but "how would I know its depth when I was only a blue belt in AK"...What kind of response is that?? my 30 years just don't count...I guess.

Yssing has it right...Claus Pedersen has in right...Frank and Marius have it right...anyone who who takes their art be it Kenpo...Bjj..TKD..Kyokyushin..etc. and trains on the mat to test their skills...has it right.

I just started BJJ...my instructor is in Calif...he said to me I have to spar 50 hours...before I test for Blue Belt...thats above and beyond practising each technique 300 times...I accept that challenge...its fun...hard... but fun.

So...I extend that same challenge to Kim...50 hours of sparring before earning your BB.

I wish and hope KD will let go of his fear, pride, ego and flie cabinate of slogans and sayings and expose himself to the fight...its all about overcoming oneself...

in the end Kim Dahl will be an awseom BB and will represent the art to the next generation...I will be the first to sign his certificate if he spends the next year fighting for his art and for himself...

He is a nice person. A good husband and a wonderful father...in the end that is really what matters not all this silliness.

Take care and this is my last post..gotta pack up and get out of Tombstone.

BK

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For me it has never been about Fighting Mrs. K. It is been about how she apparently has a Big Problem with my Cardio and keep-telling people about is. That I would do this and I wound do that. So I said enough now. Anything you do I can do. Let have a workout face to face or a normal class I don’t care. Afterwards we can sit down and have some beers and let bygones be bygones.


Yes Monty you are right. The Funny think is when I make my decision and toll my Student I would close the Club. I recommend them to go to IKCA because even do owner curriculum is not the same. The basis is, and there could use the thinks that I learn them there.

Best Kenpo Regards
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P.S I am on Sunday for a friendly workout and some beers Time and place drop me a Email or Call

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Kim: Am i to understand that you're doing most of your training on your own now?
If you have no sparring partners, how do you know that what you're doing works? And if you don't try it on different opponents, won't you just get accustomed to one way of doing it?
Btw. Yssings tournament sounds like a great opportunity to test your skills, get rid of the rumors and maybe patch up some old relationships gone bad.
What's wrong with entering tournaments? Is it a fear of finding out that what you have been training for years doesn't actually work when confronted with real resistance or is it something else?


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Hi,

Just have to mention this! I've seen mr Johansson of Sweden compete and teach in the States. He was way beyond all the others I've seen from Europe.

Alot of us regarded him as the "Chief" of Europe - not the most senior but the best. Funny to watch the rest with their "McBack up mass" talking shit about him afterwards!


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crazy bear skrev:
I've seen mr Johansson of Sweden compete and teach in the States. He was way beyond all the others I've seen from Europe.


I agree. Ingmar also to me personifies what I want to get out of kenpo. The man moves, fights, competes and he STILL knows every corner of the theoretical framework within kenpo. He was recently promoted to 5th degree black by Huk Planas. First of its kind in Europe. Pretty cool :o)
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Sorry David,

My Danish level is below zero! know it's a Danish site.

Sa....


Sorry dude!



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JEG skrev:
Du er velkommen til en hyggelig snak i Lyngby på et tidspunkt - medmindre du inviterer mig på et glas saft eller noget i din klub.
9/6-2006, 13:26

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Thomas,

Glad to hear that!


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CRAZY BEAR skrev:
Alot of us regarded him as the "Chief" of Europe - not the most senior but the best. Funny to watch the rest with their "McBack up mass" talking shit about him afterwards!


:o)


BRUGER skrev:
I agree. Ingmar also to me personifies what I want to get out of kenpo. The man moves, fights, competes and he STILL knows every corner of the theoretical framework within kenpo. He was recently promoted to 5th degree black by Huk Planas. First of its kind in Europe. Pretty cool


Don´t you forget the Danish 7th degree black belt ?. A student of Grandmaster Tatum.


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HANSI:

Hvorfor skal han ikke glemme en 7. Dan under Tatum når han skriver om den første 5. Dan under Huk Planas i Europa?!
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Kim= Hansi. Flot
9/6-2006, 15:08

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bgk skrev:
I just started BJJ...my instructor is in Calif...he said to me I have to spar 50 hours...before I test for Blue Belt...thats above and beyond practising each technique 300 times...I accept that challenge...its fun...hard... but fun.


50 hours for a blue belt?
I would say 200 were more likely. That's 4 hours a week for a year.

You don't have an instructor? You should get one. Of course you can learn by yourself but it would be much faster to have an instructor by your side.



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9/6-2006, 15:35

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Hansi >> Lad so nu lige glemme J. Brandt, manden er ikke værd at bruge tid og energi på.

Hvad end man vil associere sig med Ingmar, Tatum, IKCA eller andre, er sådan set lgie meget, for i sidste ende er målet det samme.
Det er det sådan set for næsten alle systemer..

Thomas skrev:
The man moves, fights, competes
Så skulle alle jo gøre det.


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Yssing,

I agree! don't know why Kenpo turned into MacKenpo - it's weird! it used to be a very respected. This might takes us to the discussion why physical training is not a part of Kenpo? or most Kenpo schools.

If you've seen a street fight or been in one you realize how fast you run out of steam.



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David, Hansi skrev "glemmer du ikke en dansk 7x sortbælte".



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@Kimpo you say that you think have your target attak you, What if the target don't do what you think, how do you train that ??

The resson way I ask, is that you say that you have the suprise becorse "he don't know that you know", but how can you know, how can you be sure that he don't do a freakin monky style or 45. degree GUN-FU.

I do agree with you in that, one can not fight whit full selvdefence style, no matter which kind, and that ther is a confligt in to much fighting frendli fights.
But I also belive that we all have a monstre inside
(there we are cable for tortur and murder)
and that monstre can be controld, but only if we engage fights whare one let the monstre out, in small bits.
Then one vill know that one is trully cable off.
How do you practis to controle that monstre ??


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Ghostdog >> We must through e.g., vigerous, sparring and traning, make sure that, that monster turns into a monster, that can be released when needed, and NOT turned into a whimpy little thing.

Crazy Bear >> Well, physical training should be part of what we all do. Strength, agility, flexibility, explosivenes and so on, are some times more important than proper technique. And if one were to focus solely on technique, then that would deffinitly be a big mistake.
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I'm still waiting to hear what's wrong with entering tournaments


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qute skrev:
You don't have an instructor? You should get one. Of course you can learn by yourself but it would be much faster to have an instructor by your side.


Well actually Brenda is moving back to the states where her new BJJ instructor is - so she will be close to him

Have a nice day,
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er jeg den eneste som har bemærket at Crazy Bear lige pludselig forstår dansk, og svarer på yssing´s danske indlæg.

Det gjorde han ellers ikke højere oppe i tråden

Hmm mærkeligt men en sjov tråd - bliv endelig ved


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Teddy >> Nej det er du ikke..

BTW, hvem er du så??
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Well actually Brenda is moving back to the states where her new BJJ instructor is - so she will be close to him


Super.

Så slipper Kim og Brenda også for hinanden


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YSSING skrev:
Well, physical training should be part of what we all do. Strength, agility, flexibility, explosivenes and so on, are some times more important than proper technique. And if one were to focus solely on technique, then that would deffinitly be a big mistake



Seems like the kenpo community is spilt up in two different approaches in DK. The guys around YSSING/IKCA who do alot of physical and no nonsense kenpo and the others with a very theoretical focus !


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Never seen IKCA gotta link?



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11/6-2006, 6:22

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really like this wikepedia stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Speakman


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The founders of IKCA Kenpo with the great Sr. grandmaster Ed Parker.

Chuck Sullivan on the front cover of Black Belt Magazine........

Vic Le Roux in action - looks pretty nasty !!


Crazy Bear links:

http://www.karateconnection.com/main.html - WW HQ
http://www.kickskenpo.com/
http://www.bkmartialarts.com/ - DK HQ
www.roninodense.dk
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Hi,

Can't help wonder where mr Le Roux finger has been before!


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Ok, vi kan vist godt droppe det engelske nu.

Folkene bag IKCA, var og er stadig kæmpere. De var begge to "under" Ed Parker i starten, men de ønskede at lave deres egen kenpo stil. Hvilket de fik fuld støtte fra, af Parker.

Amanogawa laver ikke IKCA, men EPAK..
11/6-2006, 10:54

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Can't help wonder where mr Le Roux finger has been before!





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Ikk ligefrem hestestand, men så igen, de ligner heller ikke Masters.
11/6-2006, 11:17

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Til gengæld er de så flinke at sprede fingrene rigtigt meget så man nemmere kan få fat i dem


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Det er nu en gang sådan med alt hvad der kommer ud af USA at det skal se så godt ud så det brede puplikum syns det ser vildt ud og så skal det også lige give PENGE.

Det brede puplikum er dem som bare er tosset med slåsser-film, men ikke rigtig selv har fundet ud af hvad de vil. Dem vil de også gerne have fat i for de vil betale for at se godt ud...

Det er også derfor de står med spredte og bøjede fingre - for så ser de vilde u som en ti´r...

Sorry til alle Kenpo folk jeg er selv Kenpo-"mand", og har da også set Ed Parker med den finger stilling på maaange billeder, men BALKEN har jo ret i at de fingre er lidt for nemme at komme til og samtidig vil jeg da ikke tro at nogen dygtig kæmper med respekt for sig selv ville stille sig op på den måde i kamp.

Jeg tror kun det er for billedets skyld de gør det lige som på film, det ser godt ud med dur ikke til en flyvende hatte-fis når det brænder på..

Alt godt


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hold dog op.. det er et billede... mere er der ikke i det..
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Hej Frederik!

Vil da ikke give mig ret i at de poeses er for synets skyld.?

Jeg ved godt at det er dybt integreret i Kenpo jeg gør det jo selv når jeg har den sorte gi på og en eller anden vil tage fotos, det en reflex..

Der var ikke nogen ond tanke om at ned gører eller overtolke på debillederne som de er det er billeder ja, men de står jo som de gør af en grund og jeg gav min tolkning.


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11/6-2006, 14:13

Nissen



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Og som jeg har sagt i en anden tråd så æder jeg da det vissuelle rådt, hvis ikke det ser lidt smart ud so kigger jeg ikke nærmere i det..


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11/6-2006, 15:32

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NISSEN skrev:
Jeg ved godt at det er dybt integreret i Kenpo jeg gør det jo selv når jeg har den sorte gi på og en eller anden vil tage fotos, det en reflex..



Dybt integreret - saa det gaar igen i de realistiske defenseteknikkerne ???


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11/6-2006, 18:57

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ORDER TO GO !!
12/6-2006, 12:32

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Lige en lille korrektion:

Amanogawa træner EPAK pensum, men med en mindre teoretisk indgangsvinkel

..... Og selvfølgelig med muligheden for at krydstræne for samme kontingent.


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12/6-2006, 12:55

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Ikke for at skulle blande mig i denne tråd, men den måde (stance) de står på, har i allerhøjeste grad noget med Kenpo at gøre!
I mange af vores teknikker bruges netop fingrene til at flå og stikke i øjne med
Og dem som har set Kenpo folk gå i detaljer med deres teknikker, vil vide at de er meget brugbare.
Og ingen skal være i tvivl om vi godt ved hvornår hånden skal åbnes og lukkes i kamp

men et "kodak" moment helt sikkert...

M


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12/6-2006, 13:52



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Hæ, er det så nu, efter at have læst om de to diametrale modsætninger: 1) Nogen påstår at andre kun træner praksis 2) Nogen påstår at andre kun har med teori at gøre, jeg skal påstå at man også sagtens kan integrere alle delene? Fuld skrald på den praktiske træning men stadig med enddog STOR vægt på det teoretiske og at man stadig sagtens kan lave sparing og grappling, locks, chokes and holds også?
Hvorfor skal tingene enten være sorte eller hvide?
12/6-2006, 15:11

Master Balkan



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Hvorfor skal tingene enten være sorte eller hvide?

Så er det nemmere at se forskel... do'h!


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12/6-2006, 16:55

Nissen



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Til Peter Melvej!

Jeg ved godt at de fingre nemt kan dukke op og bruges i både Kenpo og en hver anden stilart, så det var ikke for at negligere fingrene...

Så med linien -at de fingre var nemme at komme til- mente jeg bare at jo som de står der og ser godt ud så er de da og ja man kan også trække dem til sig igen...

Bare lidt venlig fis og ballade...

Som sagt kan jeg godt selv lide Kenpo og jeg ved at det virker, så igen intet ondt...


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18/6-2006, 8:56

Hansi



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just found this one - great words from master HUK !!!


http://www.kenpo.dk/kenpo-dk/site/Inga_bump.asp


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18/6-2006, 11:30

Master Balkan



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Huh? Jeg tror du har linket til den forkerte video, det der var bare en eller anden graduering...


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